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Some favorite quotes from the Bible April 16, 2012

Posted by truthspew in Uncategorized.
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We’ll start in Genesis and move on as I read. It’s always good to read the texts of thine enemy.

First there is Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Um, how many is god including by saying ‘us’? More than one god perhaps?

But it gets more interesting when the fall of man occurs.

We’ll set up with Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

So we’ve established the trees that exist in the garden that their God set up for them. It will become more clear why I say ‘their’ God as we progress.

Genesis 2:17 is where God lays down the law to Adam

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Above is where God tells a little lie. God conveniently leaves out WHEN thou shalt surely die.

The serpent enters the picture in Genesis 3, telling Eve a whopper.

3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Genesis 3:16 really gets into the misogyny of Catholic/Christian teachings:

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Well well – there we have it, the original misogynistic quote.

When God finds out what Adam and Eve did he starts the punishment:

3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

 

That last part, where the man is become one of “us” again. That’s that pesky construct, “us”.

But the best part is here:

Genesis 4:16
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Yup, there was a land OUTSIDE of Eden. So in essence Christianity if true is based on an experiment performed by a God of some sort.

So just going through four chapters of Genesis you see some of the more immediate problems in the Bible.

One is that there is an almost constant reference to ‘us’. Perhaps it’s God and the Holy Spirit and the Angels but you’d think enumeration would have cleared it up.

Then of course is Cain in Nod, you know, East of Eden. That means that there are others outside the realm of God’s kingdom. Imagine that!

As a friend of mine likes to say, she’s one of the ‘others’.

So too am I, I am an atheist, the other.

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1. Frank - April 17, 2012

Anyone who reads my blog (http//:reluctantrebel.blogspot.com) knows I have serious issues with Christianity and Catholicism, especially the “New” (regressive) Catholic Church. And I am no theologian much less an apologist. But I feel compelled to respond, if only out of respect for scholarship.

It seems to me that if one’s atheism is based on the exegesis you have expounded, the atheism is weak as the arguments don’t hold water.

The creation myth of the bible drew on other ancient myths – all attempts of primitive peoples to explain how the world came about in a time when “science” was not imagined. Genesis is actually the combination of the Yahwist and Priestly traditions, each of which had a different view of creation and “god”. The use of the word Elohim (the plural) when God says “Let US…” may be the use of the Royal We or perhaps a reference to the older belief in a kind of “council of the gods, with Yahweh, the guy in charge. In any case it is a rather poetic and beautiful way of saying what the author wants to convey, I think.

The Hebrew words are, in themselves, a fascinating study. There are plays on words and nuances of meaning that defy exact translation. (Not to mention the fact that translation were made from Hebrew to Greek and Latin before being translated to English) In the Wikipedia article referenced below, the explanation of the word translated as “to create” is an excellent example. It does not quite mean what we mean by create.

Certainly the bible reflected the culture and norms of the time – and unfortunately one can probably find a quote somewhere in the bible to support almost any belief or practive – misogyny, polygmy, slavery, etc.

Our modern, black and white, and immediate-face-value-see-it-on-tv-culture too often fails to see the bible as an account of the imperfect and developing understanding by Jewish and Christian sects of what they see as their dynamic and evolving relationship with the Yahweh Elohim of creation.

It would seem that an intelligent person such as yourself would be curious to learn about the scholarly study of the bible and the meaning behind the words – that is without regard to any evangelical bias – so as to make a rational argument.

For starters, I can suggest the Wikipedia entry which does not appear to be promoting evangelism of any religion or denomination. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_creation_narrative). Read this article through, I think you will be fascinated.

2. Urspo - April 17, 2012

Nice try: I have heard these before but they never “go over” viz. I have never heard any Fundy listening to reason about bible passages.


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