So I did some more research on it and here are the known facts:
1) That the ‘study’ was in fact paid for by NOM and commissioned by NOM Head Whore representative for Rhode Island, Christopher Plante.
2) That the firm of Quest Research headed by Prof. Victor Profughi only used a sample size of 400 people.
1) The Quest sample was drawn from the NOM mailing list because I got a call for that survey and I’m on, or was on NOM’s list.
2) That 80% of RI’ers do not in fact want this on a ballot.
There are 691,778 registered voters in the state of Rhode Island. Based on Quest’s ‘research’ each 1,729 voters are covered by one survey respondent.
Voter turnout in Rhode Island for 2010 was 48.9% of the voting population. That means only 338,279 people. If we base NOM’s 80% on that the number is 270,624.
Remember that last number, it’s going to be key in what I’m about to tell you next.
I know that Marriage Equality RI, the Providence Journal, Brown University and a few other entities have studied the question of marriage equality by using surveys. And those surveys of likely voters (Remember this too!) show 62% of RI’ers want LGBT people to have marriage equality.
Here lies the discrepancy. If we take that likely voter number of 338,279 and obtain our 62% from that it is 209,733 who support marriage equality.
That leaves a remainder of 60,891 people who want to “put it on the ballot”. 29%. There’s a large difference between 80% and 29%, several standard deviations in fact.
You see, if you’re going to survey a population on an important POLITICAL question you first go to the Rhode Island Secretary of State’s Elections Division and pay $25 for a copy of the current voter database.
Then you randomly sample 1,000, or even 2,000 people from THAT list, not the NOM list. I think you’d get a result closer to that of the ProJo, Brown, and MERI than the 80% that NOM says.
It’s a lie, a damned lie. RIP Joe Palmer who once said and I quote “Numbers don’t lie but figures do!”
I note NOM has blocked me from commenting on their YouTube videos. A pity so now I’ll just call them out on the blog, and email them to Maggie Gallagher.
Ok, here’s the pick-apart:
NOM is playing apples to oranges here. Not only are they comparing the gubernatorial race to the lieutenant gubernatorial race, but they completely discount one little fact when they say Governor Chafee doesn’t have a mandate.
There were SEVEN candidates for governor. So NOM had more than enough opportunity to field candidates, I don’t know why they are crying about this now. And as to the Lieutenant Governor’s race, Elizabeth Roberts won re-election by 54.5%.
NOM is dead wrong. Even their assertion that 80% of RI’ers want this on the ballot. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I got the survey call on this performed by Quest Research. They’re a local polling company. It’s a company that still uses an @verizon.net email address, how much more fly-by-night could you get when it’s $5 to $6 a month to host your own domain. The owner is a man by the name of Victor Profughi. Mr. Profughi holds a Phd in political science.
It turns out that the polls in question were commissioned by NOM-RI, the group opposing same-sex marriage. Christopher C. Plante, the group’s executive director, said there were three surveys done by Quest Research, which is based in Rhode Island.
I joked that the 80 was a transposition error. But the questions are in fact loaded to the gills. A loaded question leads the respondent to answer in the way in which the pollster wants them to answer.
Most people are dumb-fuck ignorant about what it takes to get a question on the ballot here in RI. We don’t have citizen initiative here which I consider a blessing as we’ve seen the idiocy of the citizen initiative process in both California and New Hampshire.
But the smoking gun is who sponsored the surveys. It was Christopher Plante of NOM that did so. Now if Profughi and Co. had just gone out and surveyed for the hell of it, they’d probably do a sample size a little more than 400 people. But that’s all that answered the ‘survey’. I think they made some extrapolation errors too. I also believe that of the 400, about 399 came from NOM’s mailing list in the state.
So NOM is totally off base with this ad. But do contact the Governors office at 401-222-2080, the Speaker’s office at 401-222-2447 (He shares this line with Majority Leader Matiello.) and the Senate President’s office at 401-222-6655. You can also email the Speaker as email@example.com and the Senate President at firstname.lastname@example.org
I mean it, fuck you and your little dog Christopher Plante too. Saying that economic issues trump civil rights issues, really???
You can listen to Brown and Plante wax on about the children, and about how our rights aren’t an issue. I seem to recall hearing the same from openly gay Speaker of the House in RI, Gordon Fox that civil rights were trumped by the states economic crisis.
Civil rights should NEVER be put to a vote. Ever. If in fact we could we’d see things against gay people, immigrants etc.
I am tired of the shit put forth by NOM and other groups like the AFA and FRC. I want us to raise enough money so that we can shout down these bigots. I’d love for a group to have the money to dog NOM’s little bigot bus with own buses that put forth true equality.
As to changing RI’s constitution, good fucking luck! It’s a very elaborate process that makes it deliberately difficult to get a ballot measure up let alone a vote to repeal our rights.
As to the African American community overwhelmingly against gay marriage is bullshit. How do I know? Because my SO is black. His family accepts me as one of their own. Imagine that. In their eyes we are already married.
It’s the African American pastors like that idiot Bishop Harry Jackson in DC spouting on about it. To him I’d say don’t you have anything better to rail against when there is still rampant discrimination against people of color in this country.
And Chris Plante – if you didn’t use fear tactics in your campaigns against the LGBT community maybe your measures wouldn’t have so easily passed. And the margins with which you got your agenda forward, well lets just say it’s statistically very interesting.
Consider the confusion on Prop 8 in California. Same in Maine. It makes me so happy that putting up a ballot issue is incredibly difficult here in RI.
And another note, the callers in support of the NOM position were interesting. You could tell which side they were on when they opened their mouth for the first time. It’s amazing how easy it is to spot the bigots.
And while I’m on a tear, the name of the group NOM expands to the National Organization FOR Marriage. But yet they’re against giving the right of marriage to LGBT people. Completely oxymoronic.
But this is no ordinary trial. This is a trial in a case where thousands of ordinary citizens have already faced a wave of hatred for participating in democracy. On Oct. 22, the Heritage Foundation released a report titled “The Price of Prop. 8,” which concluded that “supporters of Proposition 8 in California have been subjected to harassment, intimidation, vandalism, racial scapegoating, blacklisting, loss of employment, economic hardships, angry protests, violence, at least one death threat, and gross expressions of anti-religious bigotry.”
I must first make it clear, the people who supported such a discriminatory measure as Prop 8, or Question 1 in Maine, deserve my hatred, my ridicule and my scorn for they are bigots. It is one thing to personally dislike the fact that gay people can marry, it is entirely another when you sign your name to a petition, donate money, or allow usage of your visage in ads for the opposition.
Those who did the above acts need to understand then when one signs a petition or donates money, we all have the RIGHT to know that they did so. It’s all under the public records doctrine.
However I feel I must tell Loathsome Gallagher something: While your side suffers those slings and arrows, we gay people have experienced the exact same thing from bigots like you and your ilk. Regarding the death threat, I suspect that one is simply wishful thinking, a tempest in a teapot if you will, whereas we gay people have been murdered for even looking like we’re gay. When is the last time a religious bigot suffered that fate?
Maybe it’s because I surround myself with educated people. That’s right Maggie, educated. Your only claim to fame is that you’ve written as a family policy expert, I think Goebbels would be proud of you, repeat the same lie over and over again and it becomes the truth or at least so it is in your mind.
But so long as I’m around, I’m not going to let you get away with it.
They stopped sending me emails but they still send me postal mail.
Here’s the latest:
On this page let me first highlight a few facts.
The title is “Marriage & Liberty”. What part of Liberty do the bigots at the National Organization for Marriage not understand?
They cast it as an abuse of their religious liberties, I cast their stance as an abuse of my civil liberties.
Then we have the introductions.
First up we have Dr. Robert George, a law professor at Princeton. You all know the old saw, those who can do, those who can’t teach. I don’t know about you but I know lawyers can be the slimiest of the slime or as good as Glenda the Good Witch. Dr. George strikes me as the former. You’d think an attorney might be cognizant of say a pesky little thing like the 14th Amendment. We’re all equal under the eyes of the law you dipshit!
Then we have the ever smug Maggie Gallagher. I wish a local anomaly in the time-space continuum would just open up and swallow her whole, perhaps stretching a bitch out until she’s a couple of atoms thick before she enters the event horizon. She carries herself as some expert on marriage. If that’s the case then I should begin carrying myself as the pope. Bow down bitch!
Then we have old Pumpkin Face, Brian Brown. Packin’ on the pounds there Brian. You remind me of Mr. Creosote in Monty Python’s “The Meaning of Life”. I haven’t had many dealings with old Pumpkin Face but his name is all over the place in NOM so he gets a heaping dose of derision from me.
The lead in article is titled “NOM Wins Victories and Reaches Millions of Americans with Pro-Marriage Messages”
Lets start on the title. Pro-Marriage yet you don’t want gay people to get married. Why is that? Matter of fact they don’t want gay people to have equal rights to anything else. I think it all comes down to what I term the ‘ick’ factor. The whole argument against gay men is that at least one man debases himself by acting like a woman. So basically the whole sentiment behind the anti-equality folks is misogyny. Isn’t that interesting.
We of course are called the cultural Left. That NOM in the cultural Right spot. Their affiliations with churches etc. mean they’re now a part of the whole Religious Right Republican Wing. NOM folks are in good company with all the other assorted bigoted wing nuts of history.
They go on to “Enter the Lion’s Den”.
How very interesting since I’d like to re-start the Roman custom of feeding Christian scum like the NOM folks to the lions again. On this page they crow about the victory in California and how they’re applying lesson learned in other states such as New Hampshire, Maine, etc.
They of course bring up the indoctrination of the children. Let me get this right, letting kids know its ok if you’re or even they’re gay is indoctrination, but religious instruction (Which by its very nature is indoctrination!) is a-ok with the people at NOM.
They like to say they’re winning with facts. I say they’re losing with falsehoods. Here are just a few.
– No Civilization can survive without marriage:
Yes in fact civilization can survive without it. Marriage hasn’t been with man forever. The family on the other hand, that’s been around forever.
– Legalizing gay marriage has a devastating psychological effect that devalues marriage itself and results in fewer marriages of any kind, putting the health of children and America’s future at risk
Here they go with the straw man arguments. Holding up gay marriage as the reason marriage is declining worldwide. Maybe it’s because kids saw their parents rotten marriage and so decide not to marry. I know several couples that had serious problems whose own kids never married or took their sweet time before they did marry. I look at my aunt as a perfect example. My cousin was 21 years old when she finally married my cousins father.
The only real psychological effect is the propagation of hatred and intolerance spread by NOM.
Here comes my favorite though.
-Legalized gay marriage results in forced indoctrination of children and restrictions on religious liberty.
Ok, I already debunked the indoctrination thing. But restrictions on religious liberty? Give me a break. Every marriage equality decision, bill, etc. that I’ve seen carves out specific exclusions for the religious community. NOM is just trying to incite hatred with this one.
They then go on about the critical phase approaching.
On this page we have the whole intolerance blowup regarding Carrie Prejean and Perez Hilton. He was nice about it calling her a bitch. She’s a clueless cunt so far as I’m concerned.
NOM carried on that they have a whole media blitz coming up and I can’t wait to see their next idiotic ad on the web.
They keep making the same points over and over that all boil down to two arguments.
The first is the claim that we on the marriage equality side are being intolerant. Demanding our civil rights is not intolerance. As I said earlier, there are provisions made for the churches so that those who oppose us (And that list is getting smaller all the time now that the Episcopal Church has allowed gay and lesbians equal participation) won’t have to accept gay people or bless their marriages.
The other is the new standard that they have to protect the children. Children are both smarter and more resilient than the NOM people could ever know. This is just one part I remember from my developmental and general psychology courses. And talking to friends who are psychologists, neuropsychologists, etc. I’m constantly reminded of that fact. The people at NOM probably never took more than a semester of psychology which explains their hollow cries.
Nothing like beating dead horse with false arguments against equality.
This page just has the usual bovine effluent how NOM is fighting against equality in ME, NH and IA. Curiously they left out MA and CT. I guess those are just foregone conclusions.
The one that got me though is the little blurb in the upper right corner. A smiling pink family with the title “Kids need a mom and a dad.”
That one kills me, again talk to any developmental or general psychologist or social worker and they’ll tell you that the sex and number don’t really matter. What matters is consistency of love and setting boundaries. The NOM argument is just code speak for “We got this in the bible.”
On to the last page.
Here we have a personal letter from Pumpkin Face Brown. He goes on and on how marriage equality would remove their religious liberty. It’s such a crock of shit.
And he also goes on to mention the woman who got her cross trampled, or the father lead out in handcuffs, etc. All blown out of proportion for the word twisters at NOM.
Marriage equality is a juggernaut. I won’t rest until we’re all equal. Every last one of us, whether we’re gay, straight, black, white or anything else we use to divide people. Either stand with us or be rolled over by us but in the end we’ll have marriage equality throughout the United States.
They also included a little beg form. I’m going to tape my postage paid envelope to a box of bricks and send it back to them.
They’re a 501(c)4 organization which means they have to produce Form 990. But they haven’t. What’s up with that?
On the back of the return envelope they do however say the following:
I checked with the NJ office. They said the following was only available for NOM for 2007. They have not updated their filings in over a year.
The data is interesting though. They don’t list the 501(c)4 revenues.
Total 2007 Revenue and expense
Rev: $204,000 Exp: $25,000
Management Expense $25,000
Checking the North Carolina State Soliciation Licensing Branch only yields one more salient piece of information. They use KMA Direct Communications. Click the link, note who they really serve.
Pennsylvania says that NOM has is no longer registered there.
And Virginia gives the following:
Primary Name: National Organization for Marriage
Other Names: NOM
Federal Employer ID Number (EIN)
Address: 20 Nassau Street
Princeton NJ, 08542
Current Registration Expires:
Registration Extended Until: N/A
Registration Filing Status: Organization provided Law and Rules – not currently filed to solicit
IRS Filing Status: Unknown
So they cannot solicit in Virginia at least not without running afoul of state law.
So I wonder, no current financial info for the 12 months of 2008, and the 8 months of 2009 thus far. What the hell are they trying to hide? And when will the IRS or some other agency pull a raid on their NJ offices and get the financials and publish them?